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    Tune/chip impact on engine wear and tear

    Hi,
    A mate sent me this article and it raised some concerns with me as I will hang on to my ROK for 10 years. I'd like your views on it please.

    https://outbackjoe.com/macho-diverti...o-diesel-chip/


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    Makes total sense to me. More power = increased failure rate, simple. Can you improve OEM fuel consumption? Yes as an engine is tuned to cope with the worst fuel in the world, rather than the best (ie in Europe) so I conceptually disagree with this bit of the article. I also suspect that manufacturers do not 'strive' to achieve max performance/efficiency/ consumption so as to have another marketing string to the bow for next year's model release ( I might be a little cynical here) 😉

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    The single turbo 2.0 has tunes from 103 to 125 to 130 now 140, over 3 generations of Passat. Even there are component upgrades they are minimum. The power upgrades are basically just by tuning......


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    Ok, obviously a tune can increase wear and tear. But normally you don't drive all the time with full speed or accelerating to the bottom. So at least 90% of the time you have the same power than without a tune. You need certain amount of fuel to drive with certain RPM and load. Why should that change? You need let's say 50 HP to drive 100km/h with or without tune. The difference is IMO you can get higher max power and better acceleration when needed. But if you're not a race driver or permanently hauling, it should not shorten your cars life significantly. All that obviously within the reasonable limits of the tune from a serious tuner.
    If you want to be safe, leave it stock.

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    I own a 2009 Touareg V6 176 kw and a 2016 132 kw Amarok.
    First the Touareg. At 120,000klms I was told I had to have the intake runners replaced due to no longer operating correctly. Price $3600 at VW I refused to get this repair done after doing research on the issue. Much cheaper repair options are available. I was advised that the issue is caused mainly from gunk deposited by the EGR system. I visited a well respected European car specialist and after discussing the issue with him it was recommended I have the intake system cleaned and I also opted to have the ECU remapped and EGR system fixed. Touareg now puts out approx 216kw over 600 mm and basically performs like it never has. At 146,000klms my fuel consumption has actually improved and when towing my medium sized van I get better fuel consumption and the towing performance increase is staggering. Now you may believe that this will be a detrimental move but the same engine fitted to the Porsche developers 220kw and 640nm. Same engine, different tuning. The latest Touareg is rated at 181kw and the new V6 can develop 185kw on full acceleration for a fixed amount of time. Same motor as mine
    The Amarok is s a 2016 Highline Now I had this vehicle into a local Euro tuning centre to have the DPF removed, EGR blocked and the ECU remapped . I didn't go for the all out remap but I had Dyno readings done before and after. My car put out 133 kw which I was told was a little higher than normal and the torque figure was around factory specs. I don't have the actual figures at hand as I write as I'm not at home. However after the work was completed my car's dyno reading was 149 kw and 449 mm if I recall. Fuel consumption has not altered on bit but performance is certainly different albeit not staggering.
    All I can say is the I don't drive with my foot flat to the floor and regard the performance increase as just great for when I need that bit more pulling power and overall responsiveness. I put the foot down and both these vehicles perform better without any noticible degradation of the consumption
    As for the article, yes there are some things that ring true but I agree with suhau4, the factory performance increases are mainly achieved by tuning and not much else. I also support the comments of Chibulli.
    I can only call it the way I've experienced it. If you don't agree with having your ride remapped or modified I can live with that, but for those that may want that bit more stick it's a worthwhile investment IMHO
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    Thanks for all your input guys. I was also of the opinion that if you don't operate the engine outside the spec it was initially built for all the time it should not affect the life of the engine considerably. Cheers!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyrider View Post
    Thanks for all your input guys. I was also of the opinion that if you don't operate the engine outside the spec it was initially built for all the time it should not affect the life of the engine considerably. Cheers!


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    I've had a steinbauer chip on my hilux for 9 years and done 300,000km without even a minor breakdown. They've now got a chip for my new V6 rok which gives 660nm of torque. Cars are built much tougher than people give them credit for. Hence why you can get 500+kw on a commodore with basically standard running gear.


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    Always an interesting read when it comes to tuning and tuning common rail diesel motors. I will admit i've heard of quite a lot of negative stuff, espesh with the likes of the toyota d40 which is off putting, but there seems to be a lot of tuned roks getting around on here. Also depends on how hard they are pushed as well i guess..

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    The issue with the Navara D40 (Hilux has a 2.8 or 3.0 D4D) was relatively simple to rectify and prevent causing issues with a few hardware mods.

    At a guess, is say that over half of the regulars on the forum and Facebook groups have a tune of some type or another, with no issues

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    was unaware of that drew cheers. Yeah haven't been on here long, but as my above post, i have noticed a lot of tuned roks floating around. Kind of a new world for me as i am used to performance imports which is different again, but i guess follows the same principles..

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    So is there an opinion out there for the best tuning upgrade for my 2011 Highline Rok?

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    Yep there a couple of options out there even in perth!

    Ecu remap by far the best option and combined with a 3" turbo back exhaust good gains can be had.

    Realistically set a budget and work from there as you can easily spend $4500 in a blink of eye. Most straight remaps are $1200ish

    I run a @J-Tech tune and by far the best one i have had. Shoot me a PM if you want some details

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    Hey guys, if you're looking for quality ECU Tuning in Perth feel free to contact Shannon from Tunecorp on 0427 089 419.
    They use the same software engineer as me, have a great Dyno and workshop and are awesome to deal with


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    Tune/chip impact on engine wear and tear

    AMV in WA have some of the best tunes going for the 2ltr and v6 amarok, all done in house on a dyno!, not some random file uploaded to your car!.


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    A tune by a reputable tuner will extend the life of an engine as with OEM software they only tune an engine in one way that's to meet Emission controls only no other factor matters other wise why would they put an egr system on a car that they know destroys engine performance and longevity


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    anyone know of anyone who tunes rocks in north qld?

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    Hey man where r u located ?


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    Interesting thread, any recommendations for tuning in Melbourne? Ideally western suburbs

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    My 2c on this whole tuning thing is that your are making the engine more efficient. The engine is doing much less work at a given RPM/load than if it was stock. Yes wringing it's neck all the time will put more strain on it but just cruising around the engine is working much less so it should effectively improve the life of the engine given servicing intervals etc a consideration. Don't forget diesel engines are built a lot more solidly than petrols due to the combustion process so there is always some wiggle room.

    Rip that supposed emission stuff off, make it more efficient with some engine work and enjoy driving it!
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